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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:33 pm 
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are you going to mount the rockers off the frame or body mounts

Welllll, I think the answer would be yes! The Comanche is uniframe, like an XJ with exception to the rear, so my rockers will mount off of the body, with kickers tieing them into the "frame". I'm not convinced that my idea will be strong enough, but she's a mall crawler so I think they'll do ok

I was kinda forced to take most of the week off, but should be rolling on it again this weekend so progress report to come I hope


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 6:47 am 
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[quote="Tink"][quote="kirkjeeps"]are you going to mount the rockers off the frame or body mounts[/quote]
Welllll, I think the answer would be yes! The Comanche is uniframe, like an XJ with exception to the rear, so my rockers will mount off of the body, with kickers tieing them into the "frame". I'm not convinced that my idea will be strong enough, but she's a mall crawler so I think they'll do ok

I was kinda forced to take most of the week off, but should be rolling on it again this weekend so progress report to come I hope[/quote]

I've had mine tied only to my body for several years and they have taken quite a lot of abuse. I would like to tie mine into the frame, but just never got there. Since Photobucket messed everything up, I can't post a picture of my setup.


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:46 pm 
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I've had mine tied only to my body for several years and they have taken quite a lot of abuse. I would like to tie mine into the frame, but just never got there. Since Photobucket messed everything up, I can't post a picture of my setup.

With the unibody stuff you have to really consider how things are done if you want them, and the chassis to live for a long time. There is also a lot of rigidity to gain by tieing in the body and "frame". I did take a little of a shortcut for a couple different reasons, but it should be plenty strong for what I'm after.


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:16 pm 
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So, to tie the rockers into something a bit more substantial I decided to raid the scrap bin again and found just enough 1 1/4", .120 wall DOM leftover from the XJ exo of years past. The round tube makes it kinda easy to tie in bc I was able to cut into the uni-frame with a hole saw making a strong attachment.
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This one is ahead of the seat above the floor. The idea was to keep from having something to snag on underneath, but I can still tie into a decent body brace inside and the top of the "frame" rail. Bonus is that I can plumb my on board air into this, and put my quick disconnect inside the cab out of the elements.
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I still have to build the braces inside, but I'll get to that.

The tubes will go through these spreader plates into the frame. I think there is a fair amount of strength to be gained if I had gone through both sides of the frame and added another of these plates to the inside as well, but I am really scraping bottom on the 1 1/4" tube, and frankly didn't want to put in the extra effort anyway, so this is the shortcut...but I think it'll be plenty for this build and a long life
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So I tacked them together on the truck, then pulled them back off to burn all the pcs together proper(or at least as proper as my ability would allow)
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Then the fun part. I stuck them on, burned them to the frame, then spent hours and hours stacking snail poop, doing my best to weld the structural steel to some nearly 30 year old sheet metal. I didn't burn too much away and I feel like it is pretty firmly attached, so I'm not too worried about the absolute ugly of it all.
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I really don't enjoy grinding welds, and certainly don't plan on bodyworking a trail rig, but not only does silver make it all look lighter, but silver hammer dresses up the ugly welds good enough for the application
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I still have a lot of work to do underneath, but structurally we are sound again and progress is back to moving forward at least some
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I hope to finish these up soon, and also feel like this is a good time to swap my leaking steering box since it's up in the air anyway, so I think that's my goal for the very near future


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:42 am 
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Yeah, that looks great. I would imagine it will be plenty strong. If mine has held up being welded to fairly rusty sheet metal, yours should be more than enough now!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:15 pm 
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Tick Toc! And the thing looks better in the big pictures vs. what I see on my phone :)

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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:40 am 
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Very nice. Looks a lot like the sliders I had on the YJ, 6" across the bottom and a 2" kickout, worked very well for me.


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:26 pm 
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plenty strong looks like they started life there!

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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:41 pm 
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Bounty Hunter wrote:
Very nice. Looks a lot like the sliders I had on the YJ, 6" across the bottom and a 2" kickout, worked very well for me.

Thanks! These are 5" across, and I'd like to think someday I may add a tube to kick it out farther, but for now I'm going to try to finish them as they are and move on.

kirkjeeps wrote:
plenty strong looks like they started life there!

They should do the job. Thank you sir!


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:45 pm 
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I still need to tie in the inside braces, and finish stitching up the underside of the rockers, but I kinda skipped ahead and started on what may become the bed. I'm sort of building blind in that I'm not sure what the end product will look like, but had to start somewhere so I hope it all comes together in the end. I really don't even have enough to share yet, but will keep plugging ahead in the hopes of a good update soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:26 pm 
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After all the work on the rockers, I really haven't been motivated to finish the underside, due to the overhead welding involved, so I left them half finished and moved on to other stuffs.

As life would have it, I needed my truck to have a bed...and by life, I mean I was doing a favor for another Jeeper. Anyway, I thought I was really going to redneck it up and strap a pallet to the back to get the job done...turns out it looks much less janky than just the frame and all the guts hanging out. I even got a couple compliments on the damn thing in this condition
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At any rate, it became obvious that I need a bed on my truck so I began trying to plan what I wanted it to look like. I spent far too many hours thinking, and measuring, and sketching, and I just couldn't see the whole picture, so I decided as usual that the only way I was going to get anywhere was to start doing it in steel and see where it lead me.

I had 30 or so feet of 1 1/2" square tube, with 1/4" wall, which is waaayyy too heavy for what I need, but it was also bought already which made it too irresistible not to use, after all this whole truck has been managed on minimal budget so far and I'm hell bent to stretch the dollar as far as possible on this one. Having never built a truck bed before, I had trouble deciding where to even start. Finally decided to frame the shape that I thought would work, then figure out how to make it fit the truck, so I started sticking tube together and made it to here. Make sure you pay attention to the wood blocks holding the frame of the bed up...cause Benno says just add more wood and call it done :lol:
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Sadly, I was never tempted by a flat, flat bed, not even for a minute, so that means more work for me, but oh well, it'll never be ready to wheel anyway, might as well focus on the details. With the bed frame back on the floor, I added these little wheel well kind of features which I think will add a cool touch when it is all done. Also added a little angle creation to the rear, because everyone keeps telling me to "Bob" it, not realizing there is really nothing left to bob at all as long as I stick to leafs out back. Really I hope the angles will have another function down the road, but I'm not sure yet. Crap, that's a lot of words...here's the pic
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I decided that for what I'm doing, tieing into the 8 factory bed mounts to the frame will be fine. In the name of using what I have at my disposal I used some 3x3" square plates, 1/2" thick with a 1/2" thread already in them to build the mounts off of. In these pics there are only four, the others will come along soon.
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As you can see in the last pic, I'm kind of rolling the dice on tire coverage, or the lack there of. I hope it will be on when it all comes together but it seems like trucks can't always get away with the same as other vehicles do. Oh well, one of my rare gambles.

I did add 2 more mounts to the frame, then tossed a quick coat of paint on the frame just to kinda keep it from rusting, then went for a little flex test in hopes that I really did leave room for the tires. Yeah, not these tires, but the full size shiny ones that currently reside in my office upstairs 8)
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Added a touch of Roadkill to my fuel filler, which actually works very well in this location and called that first phase of bed construction complete!
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This is just another pic of it
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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:31 pm 
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Out of nowhere, I needed a truck again, and don't exactly have that worked out yet, but had to make due. This served it's purpose in the moment, and also motivated me to do a little more toward getting a functional truck again
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Well my hitch and bumper held up, so that's cool. The top of the gas tank didn't even complain much about playing truck bed, although I can do without that again I hope


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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:06 pm 
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After all that you would think a guy would throw some kind of floor on the thing and call it a truck again, right? Nah, I have to over complicate everything so the story continues much as it has to this point, slowly.

So the daily needed it's tires balanced, and I also needed a real grown up tire for the next phase of mock up, so I tossed the little spare in the back and headed to the tire shop to get it mounted
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Tossed the newly mounted tire and some building supplies on the rig and headed for the shop
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From this moment on, in this day, nothing went as planned and everything took about 5 times as long as I thought it should, starting with a stop by Shapiro. Crappy pic, but I grabbed some materials that I may need someday if I'll ever stop messing with the details
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I had a goal of building the spare tire mount on this day, and somewhere along those lines I totally lost my mind. It took way too long, but this is where it started
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That's 5, 36" diameter rings that I basically cut in half, and some 1" tube that I drilled to allow the rings to thread through. Now let me tell you, it may work, but this is not how you build Jeep parts. Way too much time and effort for something no one will ever even see. Too late now though, so I may as well do something with it. I think I'll just stick it here!!!
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And I guess we'll do this with it. Yeah, I like that!
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This also included the cross member that allowed me to catch the last two bed mounts to the frame, and became a semi permanent exaust hanger location

This is where it's at for now. I have a few more details to try to work out, but it could be a little while before I get back to it, but I'll update when I do.
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And I like seeing these two together just for the opposites attract factor :D
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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:20 am 
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I really dig that last update with the overhead photo. It's coming together nicely..

Now throw some damn wood on it and lets go wheel :)

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 Post subject: Re: Tink's MJ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:34 am 
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While I really like the utility of the bed and the extra time you have spent on it I really hope you add some type of overhead rack system on it so you could carry a canoe/kayak/roof top tent :idea: . I think it would really add to the adventure look you have going and make for a more universal system .I could be a drop on design and could be removed when it wasn't needed.Thanks you .my 2 cents worth of needless advice.

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